by Scott Creighton
There is no doubt about it, there is no longer any reason to hold back, I have looked at the “evidence” and have concluded that we are being lied to, again, by our “leaders” in the White House in order to fabricate a measure of moral justification for yet another “regime change” campaign or an all out war with North Korea.
There simply is no “perfect match” like the recent unsigned report claims there is.
The White House said Monday that President Barack Obama “fully supports” the South Korean president and his response to the torpedo attack by North Korea that sank a South Korean naval ship. MSNBC
South Korea’s president said Monday his nation will no longer tolerate North Korea’s “brutality” and said the regime would pay for a surprise torpedo attack that killed 46 South Korean sailors. ABC News
North Korea has denied responsibility for the sinking of the South Korean warship, the Cheonan, on March 26, which left 46 sailors dead. A growing body of evidence assembled by the South has suggested a North Korean torpedo sank the ship. New York Times
The Growing Body Of Evidence
Clinton told reporters the evidence announced Thursday that North Korea sank the Cheonan “is overwhelming and condemning.”
… Daniel Pinkston, a North Korea expert with the International Crisis Group, a multinational not-for-profit organization, said Friday that evidence that North Korea caused the sinking is “pretty irrefutable.” Stars and Stripes
The International Crisis Group was founded by World Bank Vice-President for External Affairs, Malloch Brown and is funded by other globalist institutions. Their stated mission is to “prevent” international conflict yet somehow or another they always seem to come up with suggestions involving invading other nations or imposing strict sanctions like the kind that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. Oh yeah, the nations they target usually have a state-owned central bank system… till we invade that is.
So lets take a look at all the “overwhelming” and “irrefutable” evidence. 1. Someone wrote “number 1.” on one single piece of the salvaged torpedo… 2. they claim the torpedo remains are a “perfect match” of a North Korean type of weapon, a “CHT-02D” torpedo. This conclusion was reached via an international research team from US, the UK, Australia, and Sweden. Here is their May 20th, 2010 report. In the report, they make the following conclusion;
The torpedo parts recovered at the site of the explosion by a dredging ship on May 15th, which include the 5×5 bladed contra-rotating propellers, propulsion motor and a steering section, perfectly match the schematics of the CHT-02D torpedo included in introductory brochures provided to foreign countries by North Korea for export purposes. The markings in Hangul, which reads “1번(or No. 1 in English)”, found inside the end of the propulsion section, is consistent with the marking of a previously obtained North Korean torpedo.
… Based on all such relevant facts and classified analysis, we have reached the clear conclusion that ROKS ”Cheonan” was sunk as the result of an external underwater explosion caused by a torpedo made in North Korea. The evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine. There is no other plausible explanation. Investigation on the Sinking of the Cheonan
That’s it. That’s all their “evidence” that the international investigators presented in their UNSIGNED report. That’s right, no one knows who the “investigators” were since they didn’t take the time to sign their work.
A Perfect Match?
This is the presentation refered to in the paper linked above. They mention that during a presentation of their findings, they showed the schematics of a CHT-02D torpedo in relation to the evidence they found. They claimed in their investigation that these are a “perfect match” and that claim is being repeated endlessly on both sides of the fake political divide. (please click on image for a larger view)
This is by no means a “perfect match”. No wonder they didn’t want to sign that “investigation” of theirs. (please click on image for a larger view)
There are 4 clear differences in the design of these weapons and one is without a doubt, the key to proving these are not the same.
* “A” & “D” – Here you can clearly see major differences in the design of the hub of the propellers. In the diagram above you can see it has a smaller hub whereas in the evidence below it, the hub is larger.
* “B” – The actual shape of the propellers is very different. You can see a notch in the diagram above that doesn’t exist in the actual evidence propeller below. The overall shape of the blades are vastly different as well, both the front and the rear propeller sets.
All of this might be explained away by suggesting that these propellers were switched out. Thought it might be possible, remember that these are finely tuned and designed systems; one just can’t switch these hub designs “willy nilly” like one would on their John-Boat. But, that aside, though it may be possible to have put different kinds of propellers on this fish, it is certainly NOT a “perfect match”.
Now, the last point proves they are not the same torpedo.
* “C” - As you can plainly see, the stabilizers (or propulsion system?) in the diagram above are clearly shown IN FRONT of the separation plate as it is lined up in the display with the evidence below. However, the torpedo below houses that same stabilizer (or propulsion system) BEHIND the separation plate (separating the body and the tail section of the torpedo).
This is a major difference that cannot be explained by saying it was some kind of after market modification. This is part of a key design of the workings of these weapons and can not have been changed. This difference clearly indicates these are different weapons altogether.
(there are other differences that have been pointed out to this researcher; “Jan” noticed that the axle shape is tapered on the evidence and straight on the diagram. A good point. There are probably others as well (I noticed a difference in the shape of the “fin” in the guidance section in the back as well…. clearly there is no way to say these are a “perfect match”)
It is no wonder the “investigators” chose not to sign their work.
The Forgotten Investigation
On May 6th, 2010 a report came out conducted by South Korea and others that said the torpedo’s metal and explosive residue indicated that it had come from a German origin.
The team of South Korean and foreign investigators found traces of explosives used in torpedoes on several parts of the sunken ship as well as pieces of composite metal used in such weapons, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency said quoting a senior government official.
… The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying. REUTERS News Agency
This report has been all but forgotten by the media and the Clinton led state department as they press for crippling sanctions and perhaps more. But there is a confirmation of sorts in the May 20th unsigned “investigation”.
The first thing they should do, rather than attempt to convince the people that the two are “perfectly matched” in design (when they clearly aren’t) is a chemical and metallic debris analysis of the evidence. The May 20th “investigation” does not make mention of this crucial part of the investigation at all… they don’t mention it at all.
The reason for that is clear; if they were to address these two key scientific points, they would have to have admitted that the science shows these pieces of evidence are of German construction and therefore not of North Korean origin.
By ignoring these two important parts of the investigation, the May 20th paper confirms the earlier work of the May 6th study… the torpedo is of German origin.
The “CHT-02D” Torpedo
An earlier report stated that there were only 4 different types of North Korean torpedos that could have caused this damage.
Type EO-6 and ET-80A “Some experts downplayed the possibility of homing torpedoes, citing the low capability of North Korea’s Sang-O (Shark) class submarines.”
Russian Type 53-56
Russian Type 53-59
There had been no mention of the CHT-02D torpedo, and in fact, this researcher can’t find any information on this torpedo aside from links to this story. There is various info on all the other types of North Korean torpedos, but there seems to be none on this one.
Why is that? According to the official unsigned report this torpedo is “listed in a brochure” as something North Korea sells, but they do not offer the brochure nor a link to where it can be found. I am still looking for other sources on this matter.
But it appears this weapon came out of no-where.
In a paper I wrote yesterday I questioned whether or not the German-made DM2-A3 looked more like what was found.
“The DM2 A-3 version is also used by the Norwegian Ula class (German Type 210 subs) with an option for a later upgrade). The Italian Type 212 B submarines use the DM2 A-4 version. The Israeli Dolphin-class (German Type S-300) are also being equipped with the DM2 A-4 Torpedo.”
It is only a possibility but it is of German design. More investigation into the schematics of this weapon are needed before any conclusion can be reached.
Questions Being Asked
Most MSM and “progressive” parrot websites are running with the “evil North Korea” story without any investigations what-so-ever. But questions are being asked on a few sites.
Democratic Underground has compiled a list of issues surrounding the “official story” and they deserve to be reviewed. They bring up some very good points and I would hope that someone who posts there might provide them with a link to this study of mine.
“What if North Korea didn’t fire the torpedo?” Democratic Underground
They bring out many points that I have not addressed here that need to be. one such point is that North Korea vehemently denies the allegations and they have asked to see the evidence inspect it themselves and they have been denied access to it.
Conclusion
It is clear that we are being lied to and manipulated into believing that North Korea is behind the sinking of the South Korean vessel, the Cheonan. It is impossible to draw conclusions at this time as to who is responsible but we can conclude based on the evidence, that the official story is yet another lie being pawned off on the American people. This lie is obvious and could be used to instigate military action against the people of North Korea.
Filed under: Lying Warmongers, Scott Creighton, Sinking of the Cheonan, propaganda
Nicely done with very good research.
Since the beginning of this, I have been suspect. From the onset it looked like a staged event of some sort. I believe they would have known long before now where this explosion came from (if there even was an explosion).
Basically, one cannot trust a single thing our government officials tell us. It IS that far gone.
U.S. Govt. + MSM = LIARS. Case closed.
here we go again!!!
man, i don’t know how much more of this bullshit I can take.
I am so sick of the way the corporate media handles all this shit. We are living an Orwellian nightmare.
Good piece, Willy…
AJ
TRUST the Government, Media, Congress… F*CK NO !!!!
Well, they can only start another war if the “troops” allow themselves to be shipped over there. Here are a few completely doable solutions:
1) Refuse to join the murder machine called the U.S. military.
2) If you do, refuse to be deployed overseas.
3) If somehow you wind up being deployed overseas, bring back the time-honored tradition of fragging.
There’s another solution, as well: the criminals who make up Congress could just stop voting to spend money they don’t have on more wars.
Yeah, like that’ll fucking happen.
‘The markings in Hangul, which reads “1번(or No. 1 in English)”, found inside the end of the propulsion section, is consistent with the marking of a previously obtained North Korean torpedo.’
Now, just hang on a minute – a previously obtained NK torpedo? A previously obtained NK torpedo?? How many do they have?
Is it not beyond the realms of possibility that this ‘evidence’ did not originate from NK at all.
We really ought to demand the same level of ballistic forensics that apply to crime scenes where ordinary firearms have been discharged.
After all many more lives could be at stake here.
Read the comments about this on ATS. So many commenters are absolutely convinced that fighting NK is the right thing to do and the attitude appears to be – bring it on!
Hopeless!
If I wasn’t several thousand miles away, I’d be tying up traffic in D.C. trying to get the point across that we don’t want any more illegal wars. I suppose I could try this in London if I could get someone to look after my disabled wife.
Let’s see here,
1. South Korean tests show residue compatible with German weaponry.
2. Who receives free German subs and weapons while screaming holocaust the whole time?
3. Who has engaged in multiple random vicious unprovoked attacks on innocent neighbors and atrocious false flag attacks ( ie: USS Liberty) ?
Hmmmmm, seems pretty clear to me.
John Jasper;
Isn’t the UK talking about rushing their troops out of Afghanistan right now? I read an article where someone over there said they were getting out “because we are not the policemen of the world”
is that accurate? if so it’s good news… for you guys at least… and a few million Afghanis…
The question to ask here is who has the most to gain (strategically) from an attack on a South Korean ship during a joint exercise with the US, possibly prompting a war with the North?
Certainly not North Korea, even though the rhetoric is dictated militarily, they certainly cannot afford an all out war with the South.
Certainly not South Korea, a full scale war with the North would be devastating for their big business.
So who then? The US is presently in Afghanistan and Pakistan which would allow access to China via their Western border. Iran though is in the way of direct supply lines (from US stockpiles in Israel) to this region, hence the push for a war with Iran.
The US also have forces based in South Korea, (and Japan) but direct access to China’s Eastern border is blocked by North Korea.
Prompting a war between the North and South Korea would allow the US to move it’s forces into and through North Korea to China’s Eastern border (and Western border simultaneously in a pincer type movement) thereby forcing the Chinese to defend themselves along two fronts.
But who fired the torpedo? According to recent reports, the torpedo in question was actually of German origin. It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before the attack on the South Korean ship, two Israeli Dolphin-class German made diesel/electric quiet subs traversed through the Suez Canal heading out into the Arabian Sea. The same two Israeli subs traversed back through the Suez Canal just a few weeks after the sinking of the South Korean ship.
The evidence may be circumstantial, but remember the battleship “MAINE”, the “USS Liberty”, the”Gulf of Tonkin” and the”USS Cole”.
So who did torpedo the South Korean ship?
cbmc
You might find this earlier article of mine of interest…
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/german-made-torpedo-sunk-south-korean-cheonan/
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The Israelis have german submarines which in turn have german made torpedos. Are we getting the drift here about another false flag operation by Israel ?
Hans
this is true and I wrote about the possibilty earlier. But the same German made torpedos are also equiped on Italian and even Danish subs (not to mention the German ones).
It is possible, but at this point, almost impossibe to determine who fired that torpedo based on the fraudulent investigation that they conducted thus far. However, it wouldn’t take long to trace that torpedo wreckage back to who made it and then find out who it was sold to.
One thing we do know for sure, the official story is a flat out lie. That much I know.
It is truly refreshing to see that the wool is not so easily pulled anymore.
A great awakening is upon us and these tyrants days are numbered (and I ain’t talking about NK).
The fact that they won’t let NK examine the ‘evidence’ indicates that it’s phony, or is this another example of American ‘justice’ now, where the accused isn’t allowed to examine the evidence against them?
This whole thing stinks of false flag. They don’t even try to be clever about it anymore, I guess they don’t have to since so many Americans are so dumb they will believe any lie.
question–what took soooooo long?
Sure stinks to high hell when it’s UK USi and AsstriLies
Odd-France and }sreal are not included
Sweden–makes the liars Saints :^/
Sorcha Faal said North Korea also attacked the oil rig.
Who has German torpedos? The pride of the Israeli submarine fleet are three Dolphin class submarines–made in GERMANY.
Mossad–not Muslims–orchestrated 9/11
ReDiscover911.com
Sorcha Faal said North Korea also attacked the oil rig.
It might as well have been Obama saying it.
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“It might as well have been Obama saying it.”
Yep. Faal has been pretty well outed for years now. I didn’t even know that guy was still spinning these days.
In the Tonkin Gulf incident there was irrefutable “evidence” that North Vietnamese Warships launched an “unprovoked” attack against the United States Navy, and of course the US then had to “respond”.
Never mind the “evidence” was fabricated to start a war.
Now, why are we supposed to believe these torpedo remains are what the “investigators”(all from US “allies” or vassal states) claim? Maybe this torpedo originated from a US Submarine? What is the death of a 50 or so expendable South Koreans? As long as political goals are met. Did anybody in the US Government in the 1960s care when South Vietnamese died? Absolutely not.
North Korea has been an open wound for the US Ruling Class since the 1950′s, after a stalemate forced the end of the Korean War. Now some Military and Political leaders could want to finally end that war, of course with large investments into the Military Industrial Complex.
The question is, what will China do?
that’s a good question, Bill K. and it looks like Shilary is in China right now doing her best to beg them into letting her attack another country
“Ohhh, come on… Pleeeeeeaaaaase….. you didn’t let us attack Iraaaan… come on, Let us invade this little country… no one will notice… please? here, buy these T-Bills”
I just read the International Crisis Group’s financial statements. The World Bank does not appear on their list of financial supporters. Can you source your assertion that it is founded and funded by the World Bank?
I did find an interesting Orwellian tidbit in the ICG 2009 Financial Statement:
“…to identify responses (diplomatic, legal, financial, economic, and *ultimately military*) that are within the capacity of the international community to apply to help prevent or resolve deadly conflict.”
see also:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27a/201.html
Its pretty clear the zionists did this. But why? What is their plan now? Or do they want to get caught? Remember, in their sick and twisted minds, 6 million jews need to die so that the messiah can return………there are 6 million living in Israel….if they were nuked, that would fulfill the prophecy……….once everyone knows that they pulled off 911, they might get nuked……
Thank you for being one of those standing up against this despicable world-class hoax. I’m over here in China near the Korean peninsula and I’m watching in horror as this “Remember the Maine”-style incident unfolds.
There are so many flaws and obvious conflicts of interest in this so-called “expert” investigation. As pointed out by the Korean Central News Agency of DPR (North) Korea: “…The authorities made themselves busy proving the “outside attack” only, far from making public the record of the ship’s track and messages exchanged before and after the case, the statements of survivors, etc., which are the core and basic data for proving the truth about the case…” (Reinvestigation of Warship Called for in S. Korea; May 23, 2010)
The good news in all this so far is that China has been totally equivocal about the purported torpedo attack ‘evidence’. I’d like to believe that they will will defend N. Korea on the UNSC level.
I’ll be posting debunkings of the Cheonan incident as it develops at my own WordPress blog, SweetandSourSocialism
“The International Crisis Group was founded in 1995 by World Bank Vice-President Mark Malloch Brown, former US diplomat Morton Abramowitz and Fred Cuny, an international disaster relief specialist who disappeared in Chechnya in 1995.”
“In 1994 Malloch Brown joined the World Bank as Vice-President for External Affairs…”
they may not be directly funded by the World Bank, but they are certainly funded by some of the same organizations that fund it….
(from their site)
•United Kingdom Department for International Development
•UK Economic and Social Research Council
•United States Agency for International Development
•Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
•Rockefeller Brothers Fund
•Open Society Institute
•The Connect U.S. Fund
there are many others listed and on the site you can click on the links to each and see how globalist they are.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/support/who-supports.aspx#govts
But you are correct, I should have made that point clearer, they are certainly supported by globalist institutions that also support the World Bank, but they don’t directly receive funding from them.
my bad.
we don’t know who did it yet, Billy, but I think maybe we should hold off on talk of “nuking” anyone… North Korea, Germany, or Israel.
I mean, sinking a ship is an act of war… someone did it… but let’s give it a few days of investigation before we start picking out nuclear targets, alright?
thanks
S. African Nukes made in Israel?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwG1R1tcicQ
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A dolphin class sub just transited the Suez Canal, it’s an Israeli boat, and the zionists are already denying the sub did the transit.
clearly in the diagrams shown here, the torpedo propulsion system is ‘different’ and hence ‘not a match’ that the propagandists want everyone to believe that this was a NK torpedo.
if there is any residue truly of the explosive in the hull of that corvette, it can easily be matched to the exact type of warhead and explosive in the warhead by spectrography using a gas chromatograph. The mere fact that the Clintstoned whore for Israel is citing that NK will indeed ‘pay’ is also a sign this had nothing to do with NK.
The Obomb-ya admin. seems to be looking for an emergency or war to justify the nullification of the midterm elections coming up, which in every sense of the word, probably takes away the dinocrat’s advantage in the house and senate, and potentially leads to enough independent and green party wins this fall, to make the last two years of Barry Soetoro’s ram it down your throat Health Care sham find itself in the recall toilet.
With the gulf oil spill and the total lack of action on the part of either the Government and BP, I would not be whistling past the graveyard with a chimpanzee grin on my face if I were the puppet in charge. There is a rising constituency in the country that just has had more than enough government malfunctioning and blatant lawlessness to hand his slim majority a huge, resounding defeat if the election actually goes forward in November.
I think this NK thing is a smokescreen being played to get everyone’s eyes off the domestic ball, and that is two fold: one…the U.S. is bankrupt and falling apart, with rising homelessness and unemployment, and two….the war in Afghanistvietnam is going very badly and the military is getting it’s collective ass handed to it by the resistance.
Obomb-ye or Barry Soetoro, whichever you prefer, desperately needs a big diversion that will last until the last polls close in November, because if he doesn’t get it, his party is going down in flames on November 4th., once the smoke settles. And, adios Health Care mandate with those flames. How does one spell onE TERM FAILURE puppet??
“..they may not be directly funded by the World Bank, but they are certainly funded by some of the same organizations that fund it…”
Thanks for responding. I agree that the ICG is part of the same agenda as the WTO. Why not correct the generalization in the article? It’s being widely linked-to. As with 9-11 research, detractors will seize upon small details like this and use them to besmirch the rest of your research, which seems just as important in this instance as correcting the stories about mobile weapons laboratories was during the runup to the Iraq invasion.
Thanks for the great work!
Good point…
“The International Crisis Group was founded by World Bank Vice-President for External Affairs, Malloch Brown and is funded by other globalist institutions.”
link to funding page provided.
point taken, and thank you.
Motivation? There always needs to be a motive for a crime. North Korea has none, unless it’s suicide
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Here are some additional resources:
South Korean SS-209 class sub – Torpedoes: 14 STN SUT mod 2 (German or license) or LG Whiteshark (Korean built variant)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/ss-209-specs.htm
diagram of the Whiteshark (compares well to photo in this article)
http://koreadefence.net/wys2/file_attach/2009/12/23/1261543971-97.jpg
photo of the SUT
http://adiewicaksono.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sut-torpedo.jpg
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The Israeli Global Military Beast
THE EUROPEAN JEWISH PRESS proudly announced in December of 2008 that NATO and the State of Israel “boosted anti-terror cooperation & military exercises.”
With the arrival of Israel’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Tzipi Livni, to the NATO Ministerial Meeting on December 3, 2008, the NATO Council ratified the Individual Cooperation Programme (ICP), an agreement that expands the working relations between Israel and NATO in the fields of security and diplomacy.
Thus the infiltration of Israel into the affairs of the European/American infrastructure has now been solidified. Is it any wonder then that both Europe and America have soft-pedaled the massacre of civilians in Gaza now being perpetrated by the Israeli military?
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=359
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All we now have to do is find out which clearly ‘electrically’ propelled torpedo’s were either originally fitted or retrofitted with SAFT cells for their main propulsion source. Apparently enough of the torpedo has been found in the wreckage of the ship to not only show what the torpedo propulsion looks like, as it’s mostly intact, but we can be reasonably certain that the batteries labels on grey plastic have been found in the torpedo fragments, and this might allow us to narrow down the vendor who made this torpedo. I believe it is german made, from pappy Bush’s old buddies plant, ‘Atlas’, aka Thyssen (thiessen back in ww-II). More information leaking out about the constituent components is coming out, but as I cannot confirm it because I haven’t got the wreckage in my hands, I have to take their word for it. I have used SAFT batteries in other applications, they’re a major supplier, and there probably are a lot of torpedo makers who use them.
Looking at Part `C`, is that a shiny spline to its right ?
Why shiny ? Was C bashed forward to better accord with the schematic above ?
Looking at the torpedo motor and shaft in the glass showcase, it looks very very rusty; far far longer on the ocean floor than a mere not even 2 months.
Years i’d say.
Why a glass case so soon after the crime ? one would have thought that all the parts would initially be lying on the floor of a secure warehouse, much like aircraft wreckage brought down under suspicious circumstances.
The torpedo remnant exhibit is so corroded from years (i believe that) of being underwater that there could not possibly be any `metallic detritus and chemical residue` not washed away.
Conclusion: that exhibit has been in that case for many years in a South Korean naval museum and is of a regular western design.
The torp wreckage could be from the older DM2 A-3.
I can’t find any pics of this weapon online. It might have a five bladed propeller, one that matches the wreckage.
The DM2 A-4 appears to have 6 bladed propellers.
If someone could post clear pics of the DM2 A-3 we might be able to find a close match for the wreckage.
Great post !
michael masur, strange point…. is that possible?
that is certainly worth looking into….
and sounds like something the Obama agents would do.
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This is all a smoke screen, Great comment. I think you nailed it. You mentioned obummer needing a war to cancel the midterm elections, have you heard anything about a combat brigade of US army being deployed(not stationed) in the US in oct. prior to the elections? I have asked this question in several of my comments and no one has responded, oh no does this mean I am looseing it?
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Joel, that info about the combat brigade being deployed stateside was something circulating before the presential elections. That may be that , which is dated news you picked up on I never heard whether or not that brigade was in fact deployed.
I wouldn’t worry too much about one brigade. Thats not a whole lot of troops. A brigade use to consist of two battalions. A battaloin usually consists of a hq company (combat support) . And three line companies.
O-bummer is deploying 80,000 ‘consequences resolution force’ troops into U.S. cities in October. I don’t know the composition of these forces, but they are being put on the street ahead of the mid term election. and yes, this NK crap is a diversionary tactic to get eyes off ISRAEL and the tanking U.S. bankrupted, sold out economy.
whoever posted the story about ‘don’t worry about the troops’ has their head firmly up dey cheeks. 80,000 troops, though a drop in the bucket, means formal MARTIAL LAW declaration for sure! and it’s a gross violation of POSSE COMITATUS, which the states must oppose, but won’t as they’re all puppets of the oligarchy in Washingtoon, District of Corruption, as well. So, it’ll get mighty interesting in October-November, if we’re not at war in Korea again due to this Israeli Dolphin class sub fired torpedo (based on the stuff here, there can be little doubt that it was a german made DM-A3 from Atlas werk in germany. Who fired it, still has to be determined, but my vote goes to Israel. Anyone else wanna lay odds on the Dolphin????
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http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/09/15/12422-consequence-management-response-force-to-join-army-northern-command/
Consequence Management Response Force to join Army Northern Command
Sep 15, 2008
BY Army News Service
At Great Lake Naval Station, Ill., CCMRF forces look over compound detecting gear while training to respond to a chemical attack. Photo by U.S. Navy
WASHINGTON — As America remembers the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, more than 800 members of a joint response force are preparing for their new mission of responding to CBRNE, or chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive incidents.
Elements of the force, known as the CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF, assembled at Fort Stewart, Ga., Sept. 8-19 for a command post exercise called Vibrant Response.
Three brigades form the core of the force: the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart; the 1st Medical Brigade, Fort Hood, Texas; and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade, Fort Bragg, N.C.
The response force will be assigned on Oct. 1 to U.S. Northern Command, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., and placed under the operational control of U.S. Army North, Fort Sam Houston, Texas.
This week, Col. Lou Vogler, U.S. Army North’s chief of future operations, and Marine Corps Lt. Col. James Shores, director of plans and policy for Joint Task Force Civil Support, participated in a round table interview with online journalists to discuss the force, including its unique mission and training.
“U.S. Army North is the Army component of U.S. Northern Command,” said Vogler, “and we’re charged with coordinating the federal military response in the land domain for domestic operations or disasters, to include CBRNE.”
Vogler said that the response force is a scalable, dedicated force that is prepared to reinforce state and local responders when they request federal assistance. The force’s alignment under U.S. NORTHCOM shortens the line of command to increase readiness and responsiveness.
Training is a key element of readying the force for its mission, and Vibrant Response offers the opportunity to train in a realistic scenario before a crisis or incident occurs.
During the exercise, commanders and staff of the force will train, rehearse and exercise – from academic classes to making decisions and executing orders – all to help prepare them for the mission they will assume on Oct. 1, said Vogler.
“It’s an opportunity for network building in an unprecedented assignment of forces,” said Shores. “DOD always had allocated contingency sourced forces – but this is precedent-setting network building with the forces that we ultimately will go out and execute with. It’s an opportunity to get to know our forces, to see them in execution, to mission-orient them and be that much better – to be that much more responsive.”
One goal of the exercise is to exercise with partners from the civilian agencies they would support. To that end, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other interagency representatives are participating to ensure integration with civilian consequence managers who would lead a response, said Vogler.
“The overall federal response builds on the local and state response in accordance with the incident command system and existing plans and processes that are out there,” said Vogler. “The response force would supplement local efforts.”
The training allows planners and leaders to test and improve upon procedures from previous exercises and training.
When asked how responders were working to eliminate the communications difficulties of 9/11, Shores said that frequency management planning is a part of that training effort, and those issues are a part of the planning process.
Both Vogler and Shores reiterated the importance of training and planning to the success of the response force.
“We at Army North as the joint force land component command of NORTHCOM, and Joint Task Force Civil Support, as the standing CBRNE response headquarters, take this mission very seriously,” said Vogler. “The assignment of the CCMRF just makes us that much more prepared in terms of having standing relationships and an ability to train with a specific force full-time, under the control of NORTHCOM, to ensure we are ready to respond. The force has always been in place, but now the relationships are closer than ever.”
“This type of planning and coordination and training is a priority both in our headquarters and at NORTHCOM, as we understand our responsibilities to be ready should the requirement arise, God forbid,” said Vogler.
—god forbid my astrolabe, as Mike Rivero would say!
Keep getting the story out there. Good research. So they are kind of saying that they are the same design as a Ford Escort could be the same design as a BMW 3 series. You know, four stroke engine, four wheels and bumpers. So they definitely done it. Lets nuke ‘em now.
[...] are several differences between the torpedo plans and the actual torpedo recovered from the floor of the… But I am going to focus on just [...]
Thanks for the info on the combat troops deployed in America. Yes, I”m not looseing it. It is against the law to deploy troops in US for law enforcement. Wonder how they are going to get around that? Oh yeah, Mr. Obama said it was ok. Whatever happened to 3 branches of govt to insure checks and balances? The executive branch sure has a lot of power these days. You don’t suppose the legislative & judical are colluding with the executive to create a facist police state. No this is America, it can’t happen here.
You may want to have a look at this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE26Dg01.html
Ive not tried verifying any of the claims made there yet, but the comments about the Korean handwritten writings are damning if true, and if there was indeed still a large scale exercise going on, that makes it completely unthinkable a NK sub would have penetrated that deep, sank the cheonan and got away again.
OTOH, it does provide a rather credible alternative scenario: a friendly fire incident blamed on the North Koreans. Kursk anyone?
Mika;
You see, that’s what I thought happened. an accident took place, and these people in charge are so used to taking advantage of every single event they just went into spin mode without really thinking the thing out.
the problem with that theory is China. How the hell would they attempt to spin this by spitting in China’s face?
It seems to me that someone doesn’t pick a fight with the biggest bear on the block as a quick decision to cover an accident. you would at least hope more thought went into it that that. Unless there is a standing determination going on to provoke China. In that case, it does make sense.
Hi, Great job.
There a similar report by a member of the investigation team, Mr. S. Shin. You might want to see this:
http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=154146
Mr. Shin is under investigation by Korean police by not agree with the team report.
You and his work may save a lot of lives, it is crisis out there in Korea.
willyroman:
As guessed by Mika, there is a possibility that ‘a friendly fire’ can be a cause of the Cheonan sunken.
Here are a couple of questions raised by Korean-Americans (in English).
http://www.ohmynews.com/NWS_Web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0001386621
It seems to me that someone doesn’t pick a fight with the biggest bear on the block as a quick decision to cover an accident. you would at least hope more thought went into it that that. Unless there is a standing determination going on to provoke China. In that case, it does make sense.
Well, Buddy. I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
I am convinced that we are now right smack dab in the middle of the full assault power grab in the world. We are doing so in virtually every region, especially around China.
It seems clear that we are surrounding China and a N Korean vantage point would be a great strategic position. We are surrounding them. It is OBVIOUS.
Kay and farside;
thank you for those links. I am currently working on a new post which will incorporate information from those two sources. It should be up later today.
thank you again for linking them in your comments. its very important information.
http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=154146
Please click this… you can see more story
Careful of the link from Kim. McAfee freaked out.
You don’t have to careful… the letter like this….
(Sorry I’m not good at English. so that site help you guys. )
Dear Hillary Clinton U.S. Secretary of State,
Welcome to Korea and I hope you could have a good chance to discuss the Peace in East Asia including Korean Peninsula.
I am S.C. Shin, a civil investigator recommended by Korean National Assembly for the sinking of Cheonan and I’m writing this letter to let you know the truth exactly here in Korea.
From : S.C.Shin
* Date : May 26, 2010
Title : Opinion about Accident of PCC-772
Dear Hillary Clinton U.S. Secretary of State,
Welcome to Korea and I hope you could have a good chance to discuss the Peace in East Asia including Korean Peninsula.
I am S.C. Shin, a civil investigator recommended by Korean National Assembly for the sinking of Cheonan and I’m writing this letter to let you know the truth exactly here in Korea.
I have graduated Korea Maritime University in 1982, served 2 years in Navy as a sailing & gunnery officer, worked for Hanjin Shipping on a containership regular line between Far East & West coast of U.S as a navigator for several years and experienced shipbuilding inspect affair for 7 years in Major Shipyards in Korea such as Hyundai, Samsung, Daewoo and Hanjin Heavy Industry.
I have built 3 bulk carriers of 136,000 tons and 10 container ships of 2,000~4,000 teu in charge of hull structure, shipping machinery and outfittings, paint and nautical equipments including navigation system.
Unbelievable conclusion and posture of the Administration
I didn’t agree with the conclusion of the Korean military administration and now sued for libel by them.
Can you imagine this situaton? I was the only person stood on the opposite position. That’s the only reason I am sued. I cannot understand how this happens in a democratic country in the world.
So I want to talk to you about my oppinion and I think this might be a meaningful information to lead you to the truth of the unfortunate accident in Korea.
As you know, this is so much important problem for the peace of Korean Peninsula devoting to the world’s peace that you and your country eagerly pursue to complete.
The Military Administration made a conclusion that Cheonan had torn in two and sunken by the ‘Explosion of Torpedo’.
But my oppinion is quite different from it because I could not find even a slight sign of ‘Explosion’ but could find so many evidences of grounding in/out of the vessel.
I want to ask you fully understood that a tiny voice for the truth may prevent unexpected disaster and assure the safety of 70 million people in Korean Peninsula.
Well, I’m going to tell you about the circumstances which Baengnyeong-do is located in and especially about the geometric background with natural environment, critical for vessels sailing this area.
1. Where is Baengnyeong-do located ?
Baengnyeong Island is a South Korean island in the Yellow Sea(West Sea), off the ongjin peninsula in North Korea. It lies less than 10 miles from the North Korean coast, and is over 100 miles from the mainland of South Korea.
2. Sky view of Baengnyeong-do & Daecheong-do
The scenery from the sky is very pretty and calm while the underwater condition is extremely terrible.
3. Shallow water, Rock fields and Strong tidal current
The Red marking shows Grounded Position marked on Operation Status map which Naval Fleet 2 explained to the victim’s family the next day of accident, Torn-down Positon, Rescue Position and Aft & Fore Position.
4. Too much narrow and dangerous Fair way
Shallow water and Rock fields between Baengnyeong & Daecheong islands seriously disturb safe navigation from east to west, via versa.
Any vessel coming out of the Narrow Strait has no choice but to keep her course steady due to shallow water both right and left.
Vessels can easily face dangerous situations in this kind of unique area and fallen in the status of ‘Running aground’ or ‘Collision’.
Regardless of the Cheonan Accident, this area must be studied and pertinent policy to be needed to prevent disasters.
5. Geological features
Daedong River of North Korea has good sands, diatomite soil and silica are raw materials of Glass that accumulates.
The river carries them to the sea and strong tidal currents carry them down to the Baengnyeong area and make a lot of Sand hills along the sea shore, making the area harder to travel.
6. What happened on the day of Mar. 26, 2010 ?
The first call from 772 to Headquarter was “Grounded !”
The first call from HQ to Korea Coast Guard was “Grounded !”
The first report to the Administration was “Grounded !”
7. Confusion – The exact time of 1st accident
The adminstration on National Defence first announced that the accident broke out at 21:45 but they changed everyday until KIGAM(Korea Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources) reports the very time of Earthquake-wave.
8. Found an Operation map that indicates ‘First Grounding’
Naval administration and the survivals gave a briefing to the families of victims on Mar. 27th – the next day of accident, showing a mark of the exact position of grounding on operation map on which the time of tidal current and the depth of water commented on the top-left corner.
The naval adminstration says “The map is ours but a family of a victim took it up and wrote memo there.”
But another family of a victim declared that the admistration had a explanation about the accident with the map and obiously told about “First Grounding” on an interview with Korea Broadcasting System(KBS) for the current program titled ‘Trace 60 Minute.’ ( Below : A family of a victim says “I heard that navy explained about ‘first grounding’ with that map.” )
And recently we found a film that shows Navy explains the situation to the families of victims with that map, as below.
9. The evidences of ‘Grounding’
(1) Serious Scratches of lower part of side hull
(2) Damage of Bilge Keel and Penetration nearby
(3) Denting damage of 5-Screw blades of starboard side.
The damage of denting forward proves the vessel have experienced ‘Full Astern Engine’ while grounded on sand hill or mud to get out of the terrible situation.
(4) Compare the conditions of lower side plate between PCC-772 and PKM-357 which stayed in water for 53 days after sunken in Yellow Sea, in the 2nd battle at Yeonpyeong broken out in June, 2002. (She is now resting in the yard of Korean Navy Fleat 2 where you are staying now.)
10. Cases of ‘Grounding’ for reference
Kim Tae-Young, the minister of National Defence said “There was no ‘Grounding’ as we can see the Sonar dome not damaged.”
But, as you know, it is really out of common sense just like as to say a ball player who is just sliding in home, “You are ‘Out !’ because your left knee is found clean.” How ridiculous !
The length of 722 is 88m’s long and 10m’s wide. The Sonar dome is only 90cm’s long and 30cm’s wide. There’s no relation between the vessel’s grounding and the damage of sonar dome at all.
When a vessel grounds the Sonar dome may be damaged, but ‘no damage on Sonar dome’ doesn’t guarantee ‘no grounding’, as you can see below that shows the clean bottom of fore part.
11. The Mid Report of Administration – April 25
No penetration
No burn damage
No heat
No splinters
Cable covers are not damaged
Oil tank and dump area not damaged at all
That’s it. That is enough to declare “There was no explosion ! ”
But their conclusion was ‘Non-contact in-water Torpedo’ !
Unbelievable. Torpedo exploded 3m’s beneath 772 and there was no damage but there’s only ‘Cutting Down’ the steel !
12. If Torpedo exploded ;
How are the bodies of victim who were found near the cutting area so clean while a big explosion broke out that is enough to tear down the vessel in two ?
How could the bottom of the hull has no penetrations by splinter at all ? The splinters from the torpedo
How could the vinyl covers of cable have no damage ?
Why couldn’t we find even a dead fish in that area while a great explosion had broken out ?
Why nobody got otolaryngologic desease at all ? Even no nose-bleeding.
13. What is the 2nd accident that caused the serious damage after getting out of ‘Grounding’ ?
(1) Rock crash (2) Explosion (3) Fatigue Fracture (4) Collision
Anything else? Those might be enough ..
(1) There was no rocks in that area torn down. – Rock Excluded !
(2) Couldn’t find a slight sign of explosion – Explosion Excluded !
(3) The crack started from the bottom – Fatigue Fx. Excluded !
The rest one is ‘ Case (4) – It’s Collision ‘.
That’s why I get to the conclusion – The 1st accident is ‘Grounding’ and the 2nd one is ‘Collision’ – with every knowledge, experience and analysis.
14. Collision with what ?
(1) Might be a military vessel. – The rule of military government prohibits fishing at night and required to be back before 1 hour earlier the time of sun-set in that area.
(2) Maybe, of course, one of ‘Above-water vessel’ or ‘Under-water vessel’
(3) Who knows? only God knows?
15. Brief of my opinion
(1) The most important thing is there were two series of accidents not one.
(2) The 1st accident was ‘Grounding’ with the evidences above.
(3) The ‘Grounding on a sand’ made some damages and led flooding but itself didn’t make those serious situation torn down in two.
(4) The 2nd accident hit a count-blow to sink.
(5) I couldn’t find even a slight sign of ‘Explosion’.
(6) The 2nd accident was ‘Collision’ with my analysis above.
Dear Secretary of State,
This is my conclusion with deep analysis and I believe my opinion is very close to the truth.
Have you known that all? Then please consider again about the tension in Korean Peninsula.
If you didn’t know that, please ask you staff – “Bring me another report that contains the ‘Truth’ ! ”
This is not just an accident of a country in East Asia, but now it has grown up to most sensitive topic throughout the world.
Mr. President of United States, Obama said on his address ” on the issues that have come up that a commander in chief is going to make decisions on, I have shown the judgment to lead. that is the leadership that I want to show when I’m president of the United States.”
Now is the time, I think, my hero Obama shows us his leadership, truth, faith and justice to solve the puzzled problem for the peace in Korean Peninsula.
We want to check it again precisely and scientifically according in the way of common sense and with perfect evidences. That’s all.
That would be the righteous way to approach this matter and that will help to harden the relationship between Korea and Unitied States.
To tell the truth with you, I am very worry about that so many people in Korea are anxious about ‘How Unite State accept this conclusion so simply – Torpedo Explosion’ without any doubt.
I say with all my heart, there was no explosion. So there was no Torpedo, either. I could find only mechanical damages with a lot of grounding evidences.
As they sued me, I am going to establish the cause of the accident in court with every evidence that I found. Would you please pray for me to get good result?
Thank you for your time and I’ll be very grateful if I can recieve your ideas for this matter, if possible.
Faithfully,
S. C. Shin
원문 주소 – http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=154146
Kim,
Amazing report.
Are you trying to verify, Willy?
I am in the process of doing that now, Buelahman. What they are claiming in both reports seem to jive with earlier reports that I was reading a month or so ago… that the probable cause was either a collision with a US sub that was trailing the Cheonan, or it was a vessel that was allowed into the war-games that secretly took the ship out with a shot across it’s bow. could have been by accident or it could have been on purpose. I don’t know. but the fact remains, the more information we find, the less it looks like a North Korean sub was able to sneak into a joint operation and sink a South Korean warship and then sneak out without being detected. right now I am in the process of looking as much of this up as I can and writing an updated version of this article.
interestingly, massive amounts of hits are coming in from South Korea. it seems this article has been translated and it would at least appear that many people in South Korea feel the official government version of this event is deeply flawed. they don’t want to be railroaded into another war anymore than we do.
also you can see evidence picture on that site.
Thank you for your answer
I want to…. but I can’t good at English and most South korean believe that story and really serious……
Dear Willyloman and others,
in my humble opinion, this “Letter to Hillary Clinton” from S. C. Shin is itself a hoax. Well-intentioned perhaps, but ultimately a hoax.
1) A person who allegedly was an “expert” investigating the Cheonan sinking and now is being sued by the RoK government is asking Hillary Clinton (and by extension Obama) for help? Too naive. He was dissenting from a bunch of US experts. Why would he trust the US at this point? I can’t reconcile the intimidating C.V and technical know-how sprinkled thoughout the “letter” with the facile pleading of the introduction and conclusion. It doesn’t ring true for me.
2) The diagrams are generally really nice but the English is too poor and the overall narrative too incoherent to rely on them.
3) The big spoiler for me is Section #9, “Evidences [sic] of grounding”. In photos RA-01, -02, -04 the Cheonan is shown being hoisted by chains. It’s structure is apparently intact, if damaged by the “grounding”. It’s a fact that the corvette was split in half by whatever accident happened, as the author himself later asserts. So I don’t see how a boat in two pieces could be hoisted by cranes, magically re-assembled IN onE PIECE. Look at the diagrams of the salvage operation here: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2918834 Two pieces were retrieved.
There could be an explanation for this and again, maybe there’s useful stuff in here; but having zero familiarity with the host site and with the points I’ve brought up I wouldn’t promote this myself. Let’s be careful.
Respectfully,